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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://aldebaranwebdesign.com/blog/washington-destination-based-sales-tax-and-online-stores/comment-page-1/#comment-5939</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 04:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, This is a good thread. I&#039;m so glad I&#039;m not alone. Just setting up my GoDaddy Quick Shopping Cart and hit a brick wall with the sales tax options. Called DOR....same responses as earlier posted, called GoDaddy &quot;We can&#039;t speak directly with our developers&quot;...wha? 

I&#039;m not sure what to do. I have at least $600 invested in my cart and SSL cert...and I haven&#039;t even begun to populate the cart (another $1200-1600 worth of my time. 

As a small business attempting to get bigger with an online retail presence (and create more tax revenue!) this is a huge stumbling block.

I sent an email to snocap, we&#039;ll see. I don&#039;t think they are compatible with GoDaddy. 

As a possible ($$$$) workaround; Amazon.com has an online store that you can subscribe to. Them being from Seattle, they HAVE to have all of the zip stuff figured out. Not sure if its available to their cart customers though....

The big downfall is their &quot;Referral Fee&quot;...JEEZUS! They want to charge a 12% fee per transaction + a monthly 39.99!! 

Good luck to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, This is a good thread. I&#8217;m so glad I&#8217;m not alone. Just setting up my GoDaddy Quick Shopping Cart and hit a brick wall with the sales tax options. Called DOR&#8230;.same responses as earlier posted, called GoDaddy &#8220;We can&#8217;t speak directly with our developers&#8221;&#8230;wha? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what to do. I have at least $600 invested in my cart and SSL cert&#8230;and I haven&#8217;t even begun to populate the cart (another $1200-1600 worth of my time. </p>
<p>As a small business attempting to get bigger with an online retail presence (and create more tax revenue!) this is a huge stumbling block.</p>
<p>I sent an email to snocap, we&#8217;ll see. I don&#8217;t think they are compatible with GoDaddy. </p>
<p>As a possible ($$$$) workaround; Amazon.com has an online store that you can subscribe to. Them being from Seattle, they HAVE to have all of the zip stuff figured out. Not sure if its available to their cart customers though&#8230;.</p>
<p>The big downfall is their &#8220;Referral Fee&#8221;&#8230;JEEZUS! They want to charge a 12% fee per transaction + a monthly 39.99!! </p>
<p>Good luck to all.</p>
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		<title>By: John Christensen</title>
		<link>http://aldebaranwebdesign.com/blog/washington-destination-based-sales-tax-and-online-stores/comment-page-1/#comment-5414</link>
		<dc:creator>John Christensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had someone make me a solution for Virtuemart about a year ago.. it is a single file and i am willing to share it with anyone who wants it. It has no support and i am not sure if it will work with anything higher than virtuemart 1.1.3

email me at john@johnchristensenwebdesign.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had someone make me a solution for Virtuemart about a year ago.. it is a single file and i am willing to share it with anyone who wants it. It has no support and i am not sure if it will work with anything higher than virtuemart 1.1.3</p>
<p>email me at <a href="mailto:john@johnchristensenwebdesign.com">john@johnchristensenwebdesign.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 05:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you both for your replies. I am going to call DOR tomorrow and see what they suggest. I also have an appointment on Monday to talk to my website provider to see what they can do to help. I&#039;m not ready to give up on this (gulp).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you both for your replies. I am going to call DOR tomorrow and see what they suggest. I also have an appointment on Monday to talk to my website provider to see what they can do to help. I&#8217;m not ready to give up on this (gulp).</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Hoffmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Hoffmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Melanie,

I’m going to start with a quick plug for my company’s product offering and then just give you some general advice on your problem. 

My company offers a line of products (http://www.gotsst.com) specifically designed to solve the problem of calculating and charging the correct sales tax rate for the Washington State Streamlined Tax requirement.  All of our solutions are designed for very low cost implementations.  Specifically, we offer a web service based solution that is very easy (for a programmer) to integrate into your existing website – this product takes an address as input and return the correct tax code and tax rate for further processing.  The web service starts at a cost as low as $60/quarter, but that doesn’t actually cover the programming required to get this integrated with your shopping cart.  We also offer a series of products that integrate with common small business accounting packages (like Intuit’s QuickBooks) – these products are designed to calculate the correct sales tax rate for invoices or sales receipts that are entered manually by you.  

Now for the general advice on addressing your problem:  The Washington DOR put on a whole series of public meetings prior to the adoption of the streamlined sales tax in an attempt to educate the business community.  I attended many of these meetings throughout the state (mainly to plug our products).  The recurring theme throughout all of these meetings was that many small online retailers simply don’t have the technology (or resources) available to correctly calculate and charge the correct sales tax rate.  The DOR clearly understands this issue and even indicated that they had been trying to work with companies like PayPal to help them solve this problem – but to no avail.  Anyways, all of that said, if you don’t have the resources available to solve this problem via programming, then I strongly recommend that you simply contact the WA DOR and ask them for an evaluation of your situation (they may do this over the phone or onsite).  The result of the evaluation will almost certainly be a compromise – something along the lines of charging a flat tax rate for your WA purchases and then calculating the correct rate and paying the difference when you file your taxes.  I really believe that the DOR will work with you on this problem – particularly if you’re proactive about it.

A couple of other notes:

-The State of Washington used to have (not sure if it is still available) a $2000 tax credit that was available for businesses to cover either implementation or service costs associated with moving over to the new streamlined sales tax.   Should you decide to tackle this problem yourself, you should check to see if this credit is still available.

-If you’d like, you can send me some information about your shopping cart application.  I’d be happy to contact your shopping cart vendor to see if they have an interest in integrating their product with my company’s service.

Sorry for the long response – hopefully some of this information is useful to you.  Don’t hesitate to shoot me an email with any questions.

Regards,

Ken
ken@snowcapsoft.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Melanie,</p>
<p>I’m going to start with a quick plug for my company’s product offering and then just give you some general advice on your problem. </p>
<p>My company offers a line of products (<a href="http://www.gotsst.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gotsst.com</a>) specifically designed to solve the problem of calculating and charging the correct sales tax rate for the Washington State Streamlined Tax requirement.  All of our solutions are designed for very low cost implementations.  Specifically, we offer a web service based solution that is very easy (for a programmer) to integrate into your existing website – this product takes an address as input and return the correct tax code and tax rate for further processing.  The web service starts at a cost as low as $60/quarter, but that doesn’t actually cover the programming required to get this integrated with your shopping cart.  We also offer a series of products that integrate with common small business accounting packages (like Intuit’s QuickBooks) – these products are designed to calculate the correct sales tax rate for invoices or sales receipts that are entered manually by you.  </p>
<p>Now for the general advice on addressing your problem:  The Washington DOR put on a whole series of public meetings prior to the adoption of the streamlined sales tax in an attempt to educate the business community.  I attended many of these meetings throughout the state (mainly to plug our products).  The recurring theme throughout all of these meetings was that many small online retailers simply don’t have the technology (or resources) available to correctly calculate and charge the correct sales tax rate.  The DOR clearly understands this issue and even indicated that they had been trying to work with companies like PayPal to help them solve this problem – but to no avail.  Anyways, all of that said, if you don’t have the resources available to solve this problem via programming, then I strongly recommend that you simply contact the WA DOR and ask them for an evaluation of your situation (they may do this over the phone or onsite).  The result of the evaluation will almost certainly be a compromise – something along the lines of charging a flat tax rate for your WA purchases and then calculating the correct rate and paying the difference when you file your taxes.  I really believe that the DOR will work with you on this problem – particularly if you’re proactive about it.</p>
<p>A couple of other notes:</p>
<p>-The State of Washington used to have (not sure if it is still available) a $2000 tax credit that was available for businesses to cover either implementation or service costs associated with moving over to the new streamlined sales tax.   Should you decide to tackle this problem yourself, you should check to see if this credit is still available.</p>
<p>-If you’d like, you can send me some information about your shopping cart application.  I’d be happy to contact your shopping cart vendor to see if they have an interest in integrating their product with my company’s service.</p>
<p>Sorry for the long response – hopefully some of this information is useful to you.  Don’t hesitate to shoot me an email with any questions.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Ken<br />
<a href="mailto:ken@snowcapsoft.com">ken@snowcapsoft.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Schultz</title>
		<link>http://aldebaranwebdesign.com/blog/washington-destination-based-sales-tax-and-online-stores/comment-page-1/#comment-5407</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to say it,Melanie, but the right way to do it would be to hire someone to add a module to your website that would look up the tax before you submit the total to PayPal. 

Your shopping cart is written in PHP, so adding the functionality shouldn&#039;t be a problem, though I say that without having actually seen any of the code behind your shopping cart. *heh*

There are two issues that have to be dealt with. The first is that you can&#039;t rely on the customer. What I mean is that the tax rates can vary based on the Zip+4. Sometimes, it varies a lot, based on which side of a city or county boundary a house lies on. If your customer doesn&#039;t know his full Zip+4, then you need to be able to look it up based on his address. 

That will probably involve a post office database and associated address normalization. Honestly, if you&#039;ve got a mail order business, you should be doing that already, anyway. (This is going to cost you a periodic subscription fee.)

Second, when you have the full Zip+4, you do a lookup in the DOR database to find the appropriate tax rates. They have tools that let you do this over the internet nowadays, or you can setup a local database (your web host probably allows mysql if they allow PHP) and then you just have to update it quarterly.

All of this back-end stuff would happen BEFORE submitting to PayPal. 

It gets worse. The forms you submit to the DOR monthly require you to break down your payments based on zip code groupings (location codes). That means you&#039;re going to want some kind of reporting utility also, unless your volume of orders is small enough that you don&#039;t mind going through your orders database by hand once a month and adding them up yourself.

The best solution of all would be to contact the vendor of your shopping cart and see if they offer a module that handles all of this for you. If not, then you&#039;re left with hiring someone to custom code a solution for you and integrate it with your shopping cart.

Though one simple way to handle it is to figure out the highest rate in the state, charge everyone that, and hope that nobody notices that some people are being overcharged... ;-)

I&#039;ve done this for my employer&#039;s website; the caveat being that we own and control all of the servers in-house. We&#039;re not hosted by an ISP, so I was able to do some things that might be more difficult if you aren&#039;t able to easily add software to your web server. 

My email address is scott@cjhunter.com if you have specific questions you&#039;d like answered about how I solved this problem for our setup.

Scott Schultz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to say it,Melanie, but the right way to do it would be to hire someone to add a module to your website that would look up the tax before you submit the total to PayPal. </p>
<p>Your shopping cart is written in PHP, so adding the functionality shouldn&#8217;t be a problem, though I say that without having actually seen any of the code behind your shopping cart. *heh*</p>
<p>There are two issues that have to be dealt with. The first is that you can&#8217;t rely on the customer. What I mean is that the tax rates can vary based on the Zip+4. Sometimes, it varies a lot, based on which side of a city or county boundary a house lies on. If your customer doesn&#8217;t know his full Zip+4, then you need to be able to look it up based on his address. </p>
<p>That will probably involve a post office database and associated address normalization. Honestly, if you&#8217;ve got a mail order business, you should be doing that already, anyway. (This is going to cost you a periodic subscription fee.)</p>
<p>Second, when you have the full Zip+4, you do a lookup in the DOR database to find the appropriate tax rates. They have tools that let you do this over the internet nowadays, or you can setup a local database (your web host probably allows mysql if they allow PHP) and then you just have to update it quarterly.</p>
<p>All of this back-end stuff would happen BEFORE submitting to PayPal. </p>
<p>It gets worse. The forms you submit to the DOR monthly require you to break down your payments based on zip code groupings (location codes). That means you&#8217;re going to want some kind of reporting utility also, unless your volume of orders is small enough that you don&#8217;t mind going through your orders database by hand once a month and adding them up yourself.</p>
<p>The best solution of all would be to contact the vendor of your shopping cart and see if they offer a module that handles all of this for you. If not, then you&#8217;re left with hiring someone to custom code a solution for you and integrate it with your shopping cart.</p>
<p>Though one simple way to handle it is to figure out the highest rate in the state, charge everyone that, and hope that nobody notices that some people are being overcharged&#8230; <img src='http://aldebaranwebdesign.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done this for my employer&#8217;s website; the caveat being that we own and control all of the servers in-house. We&#8217;re not hosted by an ISP, so I was able to do some things that might be more difficult if you aren&#8217;t able to easily add software to your web server. </p>
<p>My email address is <a href="mailto:scott@cjhunter.com">scott@cjhunter.com</a> if you have specific questions you&#8217;d like answered about how I solved this problem for our setup.</p>
<p>Scott Schultz</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are brand new to online retail sales. We are using a turnkey website because we have no programming or website design experience. Our website payments are all processed through PayPal. It all seemed so straightforward until I it the sales tax hurdle. I was told by my website vendor that I need to set up the taxes in PayPal. But, PayPal only has an option for one state sales tax. Or I&#039;m just missing how to do this.

Has anyone used PayPal to process payments? How do you collect the right WA sales tax? We have not gone live yet so haven&#039;t had any sales. I&#039;m totally overwhelmed with how to do this. 

Any suggestions on how to incorporate this via PayPal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are brand new to online retail sales. We are using a turnkey website because we have no programming or website design experience. Our website payments are all processed through PayPal. It all seemed so straightforward until I it the sales tax hurdle. I was told by my website vendor that I need to set up the taxes in PayPal. But, PayPal only has an option for one state sales tax. Or I&#8217;m just missing how to do this.</p>
<p>Has anyone used PayPal to process payments? How do you collect the right WA sales tax? We have not gone live yet so haven&#8217;t had any sales. I&#8217;m totally overwhelmed with how to do this. </p>
<p>Any suggestions on how to incorporate this via PayPal?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wished I had found this site earlier.  Here it is 2010 and I&#039;m wondering if anythng has imporved.  From looking over the DOR site it seems to me all they&#039;ve basically done is updated their tax rate charts. 

Has anyone taken the appoach to look at each zip code group and then just apply the highest rate of that group to just that zip code and drop the +4?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wished I had found this site earlier.  Here it is 2010 and I&#8217;m wondering if anythng has imporved.  From looking over the DOR site it seems to me all they&#8217;ve basically done is updated their tax rate charts. </p>
<p>Has anyone taken the appoach to look at each zip code group and then just apply the highest rate of that group to just that zip code and drop the +4?</p>
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		<title>By: John C.</title>
		<link>http://aldebaranwebdesign.com/blog/washington-destination-based-sales-tax-and-online-stores/comment-page-1/#comment-4630</link>
		<dc:creator>John C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks anyway Jill... I will post anything else i find out here for joomla guys as i have found it to be the most informative info for this subject</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks anyway Jill&#8230; I will post anything else i find out here for joomla guys as i have found it to be the most informative info for this subject</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Olkoski</title>
		<link>http://aldebaranwebdesign.com/blog/washington-destination-based-sales-tax-and-online-stores/comment-page-1/#comment-4626</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill Olkoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John - I don&#039;t work with Joomla or Virtue Mart - but wish you luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John &#8211; I don&#8217;t work with Joomla or Virtue Mart &#8211; but wish you luck!</p>
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		<title>By: John C.</title>
		<link>http://aldebaranwebdesign.com/blog/washington-destination-based-sales-tax-and-online-stores/comment-page-1/#comment-4624</link>
		<dc:creator>John C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi.. this may not be the height of bureaucracy... but i can see pretty far down. 

I&#039;m building a site for someone in WA in joomla/virtuemart... can anyone help me integrate this... um... brilliant technology?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi.. this may not be the height of bureaucracy&#8230; but i can see pretty far down. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m building a site for someone in WA in joomla/virtuemart&#8230; can anyone help me integrate this&#8230; um&#8230; brilliant technology?</p>
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